The second Republican primary debate aired live on Wednesday from the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California.
There is plenty to unpack.
The evening’s lineup consisted of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, South Carolina Senator Tim Scott, former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie former Vice President Mike Pence, and North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum.
Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson, who was present for the first debate, did not meet the donor and polling requirements to participate. Former President Donald Trump, the current frontrunner, declined to attend.
But as moderators Stuart Varney, Dana Perino (Fox News) and Ilia Calderón (Univision) stated, those “qualified and choosing to attend” were called upon to present their case for why they deserve to inherit the legacy of the man in whose library they stood. President Ronald Reagan warned the nation that freedom is never more than a generation from extinction … but did the current slate of candidates prove themselves worthy of carrying that torch?
Here are some of the winners, losers, and standout moments from the second Republican primary debate.
The Moderators
A tweet from Patrick Bet-David summed up the performance of the debate moderators perfectly:
The debate so far is a 💩 show.
Moderators have lost control.
— Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) September 28, 2023
Throughout the debate, Varney, Perino, and Calderón struggled to control the discussion and make themselves heard over the clashing candidates. Online criticism of the debate’s overall quality consisted of just as many attacks on the moderators as the candidates.
In a widely-criticized moment at the end of the debate, Perino cited Donald Trump’s numerical advantage in the polls, which is only growing given the number of rival candidates. She then asked candidates to “vote someone off the island” like they were on an episode of “Survivor.” To their credit, the candidates unanimously refused to answer the question, although Chris Christie did seize the moment to criticize Donald Trump.
Fox News actually tried to get the candidates to play Survivor and write down who they would "vote off the island."
The candidates looked at Dana Perino like she was an insane person. pic.twitter.com/rL5YD4rrdM
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) September 28, 2023
The Candidates
(NOTE: Candidate assessments are arranged in order of stage position, not necessarily based on performance. Subscribe to the PBD Podcast for the Home Team’s full post-debate rankings and breakdown LIVE Thursday afternoon.)
Ron DeSantis
DeSantis, who is currently a distant second to Donald Trump, noticeably avoided attacking the former president for his absence during the first debate. However, he adopted a very different tactic the second time around becoming one of the loudest voices, calling Trump out for being “missing in action.” While DeSantis took this angle on the issue of national debt, his fiercest criticism came when discussing the issue of abortion.
Trump previously called DeSantis’ six-week abortion ban a “terrible thing and a terrible mistake,” promised a bipartisan compromise on the issue, and blamed pro-life advocates for Republican defeats in the midterm elections.
Donald Trump is missing in action tonight.
He should be here explaining his comments saying that pro-life protections are somehow a “terrible thing.”
We’re better off when everybody counts — and we should stand for what we believe in. pic.twitter.com/b5lD6LhKqP
— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) September 28, 2023
As expected, DeSantis also touted his successful record in Florida, highlighting his efforts to remove Soros-backed district attorneys, defend parental rights in education, and “fight the big fights” in the culture war.
But in a moment that has been criticized by his opponents, DeSantis struggled while answering a question about skyrocketing insurance rates in the state of Florida.
Wow
DeSantis asked why skyrocketing insurance rates in Florida are worse than the national average and he totally dodges the question, starts talking about Field of Dreams
Guess the team didn’t prep him on that one pic.twitter.com/5pecIU7X9t
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) September 28, 2023
Vivek Ramaswamy
Ramaswamy, a promising up-and-comer in the primary race, had a strong start weighing in on the United Auto Workers strike. Expressing no sympathy for the union bosses, he encouraged autoworkers to picket outside the White House in protest of President Joe Biden’s economic policies.
Capitalism has lifted more people up from poverty than any other system in the history of mankind. We shouldn’t apologize for it. The UAW strike is just a symptom of the deeper problem: a trifecta of rising prices + rising interest rates + stagnant wages. American workers deserve… pic.twitter.com/nPVAfnRHiN
— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) September 28, 2023
Another standout moment came when Ramaswamy proposed a unique and radical strategy for addressing the immigration crisis: ending birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants.
Our military has one purpose above all: to defend America’s home turf, not someone else’s border. I will use the military to secure the border without apology & restore the rule of law in America. I also favor ending birthright citizenship for those whose parents entered the… pic.twitter.com/yAgykLTOGZ
— Vivek Ramaswamy (@VivekGRamaswamy) September 28, 2023
Other key moments came when he condemned transgenderism as a “mental disorder” and called for a “zero-base” budgeting strategy for the federal government.
However, Ramaswamy also faced sharp criticism from his fellow candidates, becoming the target of the kinds of attacks he avoided in the first debate. One such criticism raised by Tim Scott focused on his apparent flip-flop from calling his opponents “bought and paid for” to saying they are all “good people.”
Vivek Ramaswamy's latest flip-flop. What a difference one month makes… #GOPdebate pic.twitter.com/QCgP3fQGQL
— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) September 28, 2023
Other attacks, primarily from Nikki Haley, centered on Ramaswamy’s use of TikTok to reach young voters despite its known ties to Chinese data-mining operations.
WATCH:
Vivek and Haley Clash Over TikTok/China – Haley says ‘We can’t trust you.’ pic.twitter.com/rC3zKs2Fqd
— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) September 28, 2023
Nikki Haley
Haley, one of the only candidates to see a ratings increase since the last debate, primarily stood out for her attacks on other candidates.
In addition to attacking Ramaswamy for his use of TikTok and his ties to China, she also went after DeSantis for allegedly banning fracking in Florida on his second day in office — a claim the Florida governor fiercely denied.
Nikki Haley: "Ron DeSantis is against fracking. He's against drilling. He always talks about what happens on day one. You better watch out because what happens on day two is when you're in trouble. Day two in Florida you banned fracking. You banned offshore drilling." pic.twitter.com/Ga2xsy3VE7
— TheBlaze (@theblaze) September 28, 2023
Discussing the idea of being “promoted” over fellow South Carolinian Tim Scott, Haley asked “Where’s he been for 12 years?”
She also took strong stances on healthcare costs, the fentanyl crisis, and education reforms.
When I am president we will make health care costs transparent. We will put the patient in the driver seat and costs will go down.
— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) September 28, 2023
School choice is the great equalizer.
If we want to improve education around the nation, put parents in charge.
— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) September 28, 2023
Stop all normal trade relations with China until they stop killing Americans with fentanyl poison.
— Nikki Haley (@NikkiHaley) September 28, 2023
Tim Scott
The first candidate called on to speak, Scott began with a strong statement about the UAW strike, criticizing Biden for visiting the picket line instead of addressing the southern border.
A standout moment came when Scott interjected into a discussion of DeSantis’ controversial statements about slavery. After condemning slavery, Scott highlighted that Black families nevertheless survived slavery and discrimination but collapsed under the “Great Society” programs created by President Lyndon Johnson.
Tim Scott's response to Ron Desantis' "benefits of slavery" curriculum:
"There is not a redeeming quality in slavery. America has suffered from slavery but we have overcome that"
"I have been discriminated against but America is not a racist country"#GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/F3ItrvWYCc— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) September 28, 2023
Chris Christie
Christie, the most vocally anti-Trump candidate, strongly condemned Trump for skipping a second debate, accusing him of cowardice and nicknaming him “Donald Duck” to mixed audience results.
I know @realDonaldTrump is watching.
You’re not here because you’re afraid.
You keep ducking these things, we’re going to start calling you Donald Duck. pic.twitter.com/JaiMPb1BXJ
— Chris Christie (@GovChristie) September 28, 2023
Christie also addressed the abortion issue, stressing the need for Republicans to be pro-life for the entire life, offering help to drug addicts as well as defending the unborn.
However, in a moment that received mixed reactions, Christie also called for a massive influx of legal migrants in order to fill six million vacant jobs.
The border issue is a law enforcement issue.
Joe Biden and his crew are not enforcing anything. They are just letting it go.
We need a president who will enforce the law first and foremost.
On day one I’ll send the National Guard to the southern border. pic.twitter.com/MeazYnWQ54
— Chris Christie (@GovChristie) September 28, 2023
Mike Pence
Pence spent much of the debate once again touting his successes as vice president while distancing himself from Donald Trump. Citing his experience in the White House — an advantage none of his fellow candidates have — Pence expressed his commitment to Ronald Reagan’s conservative legacy over “the siren song of populism.”
This is a time for those who have the tested experience and a commitment to the Conservative agenda that Ronald Reagan brought forward in this party to step forward. pic.twitter.com/PbF327bb13
— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) September 28, 2023
Turning to energy, he reminded the audience of the Trump-Pence administration’s success in creating American energy independence and promoted his plan to do it again.
During our administration, we achieved energy independence and became a net exporter of energy for the first time in 75 years. When I’m President of the Untied States, we’re going to open up federal lands, unleash American energy, and retake our spot as the leading producer of… pic.twitter.com/3exDi7edEw
— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) September 28, 2023
Pence also emphatically called for the expedited execution of mass shooters, creating a stronger deterrent for future perpetrators.
I am sick and tired of these mass shootings happening in the United States of America and when I’m President, I’m going to go to Congress and we’re going to pass a federal expedited death penalty for anyone involved in a mass shooting so that they will meet their fate in months… pic.twitter.com/tGGxSZSwoQ
— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) September 28, 2023
However, much of the criticism directed against the former vice president focused on his apparent lack of energy and slow, less-than-engaging delivery of otherwise reasonable points.
I’m sure Mike Pence is a great family man…
Having said that, his voice is the cure for insomnia. 💤
— Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) September 28, 2023
Doug Burgum
After a lackluster performance at the first debate, Burgum set himself apart in the second round by providing many of the most direct answers of the night. While other candidates gave lengthy answers about the UAW strike, Burgum succinctly laid out the root cause: Biden’s interference with the free market.
It takes Doug Burgum just 60 seconds to explain why Joe Biden's green agenda is responsible for the UAW strike. WATCH pic.twitter.com/KPpnJKmbne
— Simon Ateba (@simonateba) September 28, 2023
Burgum also showcased his record in North Dakota, where he has successfully implemented many of the policies his fellow candidates have only talked about.
When I took office in North Dakota, we shrunk the state budget by 27% and guess what? The trains still all ran on time!
Most of these government jobs consist of mind-numbing, soul-sucking work that even the employees don’t want to do! They could be generating taxes instead of…
— Doug Burgum (Text "DOUG" to 70177) (@DougBurgum) September 28, 2023
The liberal left is completely bent on criminalizing law-abiding citizens who are gun owners. Taking away Second Amendment rights is not going to solve the crime problem. #GOPDebate
— Doug Burgum (Text "DOUG" to 70177) (@DougBurgum) September 28, 2023
However, perhaps given his status at the bottom of the on-stage ranking, the moderators were often dismissive of Burgum’s input, including one instance where Perino blew right past him to address Haley instead.
Doug Burgum: "As the only person leading an energy state, can I answer the energy question?"
Dana Perino: "No! Governor Haley?" pic.twitter.com/FzYiSVVtfr
— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) September 28, 2023
Not On Stage: Donald Trump
When Trump skipped the first debate, he opted instead to air a 45-minute interview with commentator Tucker Carlson. During the second debate, he visited the UAW picket line in an effort to make headway with the traditionally Democratic union. Trump hosted a rally during which he delivered a speech supporting American manufacturing and condemning the Democrat agenda. Read more about that Trump speech HERE.
Waiting In the Wings: Gavin Newsom
California Governor Gavin Newsom attended the debate on behalf of the Biden campaign, interacting with the media and assessing the Republican competition. However, the governor seemed less than impressed by what he saw, declaring that “it will be clear that Trump is the dominant force. This is the XFL, JV, a Vice presidential debate at best” before the halfway point of the debate.
Newsom dunking on the GOP debate:
"I think it will be clear that Trump is the dominant force. This is the XFL, JV, a Vice presidential debate at best." pic.twitter.com/0CPgp5iVS7
— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) September 28, 2023
Amid rumors that Newsom is simply awaiting a call from the DNC to rise up and replace Joe Biden as the 2024 nominee, his presence at the debate is seen by many as a sign of much bigger things to come.
The next Republican primary debate will be held on November 8 in Miami, Florida, and will feature even stricter participation requirements.
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